After Mayor Dale McBain spoke to the media at a press conference Friday to promote a "yes" vote on the upcoming multiplex referendum, a heated exchange took place between local elected officials.
"It's disgusting, what's going on. It's disgusting," Coun. Dawn Luhning said after walking onto the floor of the council chambers.
Luhning, who is openly concerned with the $61.3-million project, was upset that neither she nor Coun. Brian Swanson were invited to the press conference.
Before walking out onto the floor, she watched the mayor's speech from the gallery.
Luhning asked the mayor why she wasn't invited. McBain responded she could come to his office and talk to him about it.
Coun. Regina Sagal-Hendry told Luhning the press conference was only intended for council members in favour of the multiplex project.
In addition to Sagal-Hendry, Coun. Mary-Dell Findlay was also present.
For more on this story, read Saturday's Times-Herald.
Luhning confronts mayor after he speaks to media at press conference
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- H
- - September 18th, 2009 at 18:04:23
WHAT A JOKE??
This is why the WHOLE city is not in favour!
McBain and his goons have NO RIGHT! -
- Stan.k@sasktel.net
- - September 18th, 2009 at 18:03:00
As said before in the forum
Clown Town Is Coming Down!! -
- Art
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:56:48
Big difference between planning a press conference in council chambers where official business is performed and an on-the-spot interview.
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- Another Dave
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:55:16
I don't know why everyone is complaining. It's like asking the Premier why he doesn't have members of the opposition to be at a major announcement. It's obvious, Luhning opposes the project. If she wants to have her own press conference for the No side let her do so. Those of you who change your vote, I would say you probably didn't support the project anyways. I would question Dawn Luhning's grandstanding versus the Mayor who really couldn't invite Luhning top the conference. If it were any of you folks out there you would have done the same. Why invite someone who would not support your views.
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- concerned taxpayer
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:54:42
Way to go Dawn. It is nice to see someone stand up for whats right. That took a lot of courage, hats off to you.
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- B
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:53:52
Have been trying to find old TH -front page had Marydell & Regina talking about how a $15 mil multiplex would result in a 26 % tax increase-my,how times have changed.I am deeply ashamed of having voted for 3 of these idiots!
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- Jamaal
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:51:56
'My decision is now made from Sask writes: I was in full support of this project and worked to promote it to friends and family. I am pleased to say that after another embarrasing mark on our community I am done with it....I will proudly VOTE NO on Feb. 25 and proudly NOT vote in ONE member of this present council come october.
I am embarrassed to say I live here.'
I don't blame you at all. It's been nothing but a gong show. If this incident, has not clued people in to what is wrong with this project, then I don't know what will.
Seriously...not inviting members of council to a press conference that has everything to do with them, just because they have a different view? How democratic is that? This whole mess stinks, and the division it has caused, is not worth it. I too will be voting no on February 25th, because this project has caused nothing but frustration, hatred, and confusion on both sides of the issue.
If the team moves to another city, they will do it with or without the multiplex. The attendance figures for the team, do not merit a bigger arena. We can seldom manage to pack a 2600 seat building for games, so it's doubtful that a 4000 seat arena will bring fans in to see a team at the bottom of their division. If it's not the facility, it will be the attendance that costs us our team. That being said, why would we spend $61.3 million on this if that is a realistic possibility?
We've spent so much time trying to push this through, that Pense and Grand Coulee have reaped the benefits of our one-track minds. Oh, and they did it with smaller populations, and no WHL team or new arena. Also without many of the services and conveniences that we have here.
They're getting businesses that stand to employ hundreds of people. These are jobs, and revenues that we could have had here, but we thought that the multiplex was more important than convincing them to set up shop here.
Yep, this multiplex spells progress alright...for other communities. -
- Herb
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:51:33
Looney and Swanson getting re-elected, that's a laugh. Thanks guys.
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- Wally
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:50:51
Cory, I wouldn't be so high and mighty. The cities request to increase their debt was permitted for less than what you guys were asking for. Also, you guys tried to 'pull a Moose Jaw' when you built Merv Moore twenty years ago. Tried to do it on the cheap and you were left with a facility that never met your needs. I hope you learn from it when you guys build your next rink. Plus you guys have fought over location for as long as we have.
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- Ron Carpentier
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:50:07
So, so much grandstanding from the Duo of Doom, being the squeaky wheel as usual. Trying so hard to get their voices and faces out there... for what? More embarrassment for the city? Nothing but white noise and garbled idiocy.
I have to wonder how much of this crap would be going on if we had a powerful personality as mayor, someone like say Pat Fiacco. Someone who would have his agenda, get it done and if you don't like it, that's your problem, not his.
Man, I'm sure glad Regina isn't building any new facilities any time soon because darn would that be a sad state of affairs and look bad on Moose Jaw if they got everything in place and ready to go in the time it took for another referendum to take place....
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- Mr Multiplex
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:47:25
Who would i rather have as a councillor?
A woman who takes a stand, for the citizens who believe in her.
Or a SELF MOTIVATED EGO MANIAC.
WHO IS ON COUNCIL ONLY BECAUSE HE IS A FORMER MAYOR AND OBVIOUSLY CARES NOTHING FOR THE INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS.
A challenge for you: Email your most pressing question about this project to each councilor and see who and how they reply. It says alot about who is looking out for who. -
- MJChick
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:45:53
Why do the proplex people insist on wearing blinders? Either way, we can kiss the Warriors good bye. They can't stay playing in the CC because it doesn't meet WHL standards. If the multiplex goes through, their rent is going to go up significantly. They can't sell out 2600 seats, how are they going to be able to afford rent on a building like that? Their ticket prices will have to go up...WAY up. People aren't going to pay what the tickets will have to sell for. So, there goes the Warriors. We'll have this multimillion dollar arena for an SJHL team who would be allowed (by their standards) to use the CC.
As for Luhning, she had a right to know about that press confrence. There are some shadey dealings going on here and I'm glad that she did what she did to get her voice heard. She was FOR the multiplex, but she's not for the way that councils been handling it.
Now, please take the blinders off and stop wondering around with eyes wide shut proplexers! -
- Cory
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:38:43
Hey wally, at least our council is taking into consideration the debt and how much it well cost over the long run is yours? And at least we have fundraising to show for, and sponorship were is your's Wally? So before you go off on me think about it we are not in danger of losing are team and we alrady know the cost of are project so say what you want but you guys well have no team they well be in alberta or b.c and we well still have are team. Maybe if you guys talk nice you can get an sjhl team to do the same as the Warriors and lose...
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- kindergarten teacher
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:38:36
Can I apply for the babysitting job at city hall, I figured being a kindergarten teacher i would qualify to look after all these immature people we have trying to run the city. You guys need to grow up!!!
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- Ther
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:36:12
Odd-I thought the mayor and council were elected to look after the interests of all citizens-having over 10% of citizens up in arms would make most city councils try to reach an agreement on the issue.....this mayor didn't even invite all of city council.No wonder MJ is such a joke-maybe Letterman will have the fab 5 on.
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- Stan.k@sasktel.net
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:30:42
By the way Dawn you pointed out very well how the mayor of this town works. Come to my office and discuss this. They are way to many closed door meetings already and thank you for your voice for us citizens!
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- Mj DR.
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:29:12
If the Fab 5 had a little more on the ball, maybe they should change the Feb 25 question to be about location instead of yea or nea to the Mulitmess.
The project is going down with the Fab 5 on Feb 25 and I am voting NO....just because of location and not to give in to the antics of the mayor and the McMutton flock! -
- Norm
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:29:06
Next civic ellection Luhning and Swanson will have more votes then any councilers runing, new or old. They are the first people to turn to in order to get the support needed to build a new well planned Multiplex that would recieve full support from the community. Swanson & Luhning have spoken on behalf of the majority throughout this term, thanks
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- Chad
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:27:47
'Moose Jaw Citizen', just because I don't live in MJ anymore, does NOT mean I don't care about the people left behind to deal with the constant mess caused by your horrible City leaders. Tell me one thing I 'don't know much about', in my information above? I'm just curious to see what you feel I am actually WRONG on. If you actually dare to challenge anything.
As for the Moose Jaw Forum, I cannot speak on behalf of the administration there, but as much as I know, the problem they were having was there were a lot of 'bots' logging in and posting garbage (no, not 'proplex agenda stuff', just pure nonsensical stuff). They had it closed for some time due to that, to try to fix the glitch, and I think it's been reopened lately, because I do see new members on there. And, if you hate it so much, why do you want to join it anyways?? -
- Steve
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:26:56
The mayor does not need the go ahead from Luhning to hold a news conference and he does not have to invite her. She has made her argument before and we know where she stands. Lets move on to other matters. Nobody is going to change her mind or the mayors mind.
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- Raeleen
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:17:41
I just tried to sign up at the forums as well. This is what I got.
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- Moose Jaw
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:16:45
Why do people like Chad Novak that quit Moose Jaw still post here? This concerns citizens of Moose Jaw and Moose Jaw only. I don't appreciate people like him spouting nonsense and pounding his weeny little chest on topics he doesn't seem to know much about anymore.
When is the Moose Jaw (cavers) Forum going to let people sign up and post? I am tired of seeing the same 6 people posting like broken records acting as if they are some sort of majority. -
- T
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:15:28
I'm glad you brought that up did you know from MJ.....the cleanup of the area the city has already purchased. I'm waiting to see the REMOVAL of twenty plus gasoline tanks in that area from prior gas stations who vacated before the removal ruling came into play. Now, figure how much EXTRA that is going to cost us taxpayers that I imagine is not included in the Multiplex costs. There really ARE people that are paying attention to every move.....watching and waiting.....
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- Jimmy
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:09:20
There is no way I can vote Yes and let this joke of a council be responsible for the Multiplex. It'll have to wait until a new administration gets voted in.
As for SIAST, I feel I must go take Adult Ed. there to upgrade all the high school classes I passed with Mr. McBain being the teacher. Shame. I used to respect the man. -
- B
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:05:16
The majority of the antiplexers are NOT against a multiplex-just fed up with the absolute disregard for our tax dollars & all the hidden agendas tied into the downtown location.All studies said it was the least desirable location. Just a thought-if the fab5 wanted a multiplex built,why didn't they push the 15 mil one through 3 years ago,as it took less than an hour for this one.Hmmm.
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- Johnny
- - September 18th, 2009 at 17:00:17
B..... Corruption? You think they are stealing money? They are bribing judges?
I had the impression that 6 of them ran on a platform they would support the multiplex project, we the majority elected 6 of them from the 11 or so others that supported a mulitplex, we the majority also voted yes that day. Now only five of them have kept with the mandate we gave them, and tried to build it while the one naysayer elected and the one turncoat, shoot them in the foot the entire way. While all the penny pinchers, who got to lump all their votes on the single naysayer running, come on here and scream corruption. -
- brokeinmj
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:58:46
Waren, are you from the Dale McBrain school of Teaching?
Nice Spelling, you are obviously voting YES as your lack of intelligence shows.
Keep up the good work Dawn -
- Waren
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:58:31
Ok folks, has any one ever heard of the saying Majority rules well count the number of people on council now figure out the for and against. I suppose all of the compaliners won't have a problem with the mojority rules theroy if the vote is no. So I suggest you suck it up now and grow up!
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- Out of the truck dealings
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:56:51
You guys call council all bad for not inviting two council members to the media release today.....
Swanson is not so clean himself....he was outside the Civic ctre today in his truck chatting with a CBC reporter....
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- Elihu
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:50:00
To Marni and Denny, it's clear that you don't understand what is happening. Certain members of your city council are getting together at in-camera meetings to plan their strategy. THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT, it is against the law.
Luhning was merely trying to point that out to you; do her a favour and respect her respect for you, the taxpayer. -
- Colleen
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:47:28
Ms.Luhning shows no respect for taxpayers or herself. I will not insult our teenagers by comparing her actions to that age group. Her tantrums do nothing for promoting women in politics. Sad day for womens performance in public politics. Elihu, don't let her snow you too. Spring is coming.
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- Suitecase
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:41:52
I for one have lost confidence in this current council and mayor for proper direction and leadership in the handling of the multiplex project or for that matter any capital project. A huge majority of the people of Moose Jaw elected the councilors who were not invited to the press conference, and they should have been invited to attend. They are still on council are they not? I am tired of the back room dealing the non-disclosure that has taken place with this project.
The current Mayor and Council have again embarrassed the citizens of Moose Jaw in front of the province. It is time to say NO to this project until an election for a new Mayor and council takes place so we can start over! -
- H
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:41:27
Just a side note too... Luhning didnt speak her mind until the press conference was OVER! She waited until cameras were off! (The Media was so kind as to turn their cameras back on!)
So she DID NOT interupt like you all are saying! -
- Waren
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:41:20
just a tought on brokeinmj, clearly a proud NO voter, so sad for the NO supporters to have someone like you speak on their behalf. You do not even understand with is about a community, with your statemet to vote against s prtdon, like this is only about one individual. You would do yourself and your No supporters a favor by having a more intellegent zinger that that. Thanks for making the NO voters look silly! WELL DONE.
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- spiderman
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:39:48
No offense Cory from melville, but what is your point of coming on here and telling us how well things are going in melville?lol but anyways i guess i just have to ask is 2 questions...
1. does our hockey team have support in this city??
2. if this vote comes out no, do we rally around our hockey team and support them till we have a new civic election and move forward with a sound proof plan to keep our team here?
3. i guess a third question if it's a no vote is the hockey team dead in moose jaw? does anyone even care ? -
- DP
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:39:18
Another Dave, It's not quite like that. The Mayor does not have an official opposition, and he is not making an announcement. He's actually using a democratic forum in an undemocratic way to promote one side of a fairly hotly contended issue.
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- H
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:35:06
The Joker, and many more.
I am really getting sick of you all saying and I quote:
They aren't for the project.... they tried to suck every penny out of us in prolonging this.
Councellor Swanson and Luhning have never prolonged this, nor have they had enough votes TO PROLONG this.
In order for a motion to pass you need a MAJORITY vote, this is something Swanson and Luhning do not have. How do you prolong something if you do not have the votes to do so.
What has prolonged this project has been the stupid way the people FOR the project have handled it.
Luhning was originally for a multiplex.
What has prolonged this is the poor management and poor planning from the councellors whom have the power to have motions passed. THEY ARE:
McBain, Chow, Shwinghammer, Segal-Hendry, and Dell-Findley.
These are the 5 that could have had this project shovel ready long ago.
This could have been done on the civic center site with no complaint from anyone. It could have been a phased in project like orginallly planned. Beginging with the building of a new hockey rink, followed by a curling and soccer facility. In a location that has not only the parking but is just as much downtown as the downtown location.
This project has been tossed around every which way to the point of ridiculous.
They wasted the time having a steering committee gather for MONTHS to look into 3 locations and the pros and cons of each... then didnt even listen to the entire steering committees report and made decisions that were poorly made. The fab 5 are the ones to blame for this circus! -
- Johnny
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:30:46
E what makes you think they will put aside their previous NO, they didn't last time, if they had done that the first time we wouldn't be in this mess.
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- low
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:29:56
Our whole city council are babies and need to be thrown right out of the city and that goes for all of them even swanson and his tantrums as well. I'm utterly embarrassed to call Moose Jaw and my home and have people outside our city see and read what kind of people live here.
alot of you should be a ashamed and Chad Novak give up your lil conquest, so you hate people, people hate you . grow up it's life.Who you trying to be a superhero who talks tough on a computer. -
- The Joker
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:28:43
They don't need to notified. They aren't for the project.... they tried to suck every penny out of us in prolonging this.
I am pumped to see them getting pushed aside. I hope they are voted out in the election as well.
Time for this city to move onto to new beginnings. Out with the old and in with the new. Lets get this city on the map.
I love it. No need for them to be near a press conference supporting the MP when they are clearly trouble and will throw temper trantrums if they can't get their way.
I love it.
Mp wins vote in a landslide. -
- Bob D
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:27:42
Jim were you not one of those people saying building saying costs are going up a few months ago. Now they are coming down. The only price fluctuations so far are because of bad direction from council!
Seven Designs are still nothing built! -
- Thank God I don't
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:27:35
Novak: As for the Moose Jaw Forum, I cannot speak on behalf of the administration there, but as much as I know, the problem they were having was there were a lot of 'bots' logging in and posting garbage (no, not 'proplex agenda stuff', just pure nonsensical stuff). They had it closed for some time due to that, to try to fix the glitch, and I think it's been reopened lately, because I do see new members on there.
LOL. Nice lie. A 'bot' cannot log into a forum. They can only post as guests, if the forum allows anonymous guests to post, which the forum obviously doesn't. There is no legit reason to not accept members.
Too bad there's no truth on either side anymore. Ridiculous city and people you have there. -
- June
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:25:47
The scrapping on this forum sounds like a City Council meeting!
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- E
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:23:19
Please get it through your thick heads some of you. Just because Luhning and Swanson are opposed, they still have the right as council members to be a part of any function that involves council. A yes vote means that all councillors must be onboard and put aside their previous no and I'm sure both Luhning and Swanson will do that. In fact, having people like them makes others more accountable and thinking about their actions before just proceeding ahead blindly.
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- Waren
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:22:08
Ouch ! good thing I gave you a reason to make my view in-valid. Pepole who small minded always look for silly reasons to avoid. Actually I am undecided as to how to vote, McBain should have invited all, that bieng said Dawn made herself look no better. Looks to me they are cut from the same cloth!
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- Another dave
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:21:50
To JackMerlin: I know everyone on these sites have a right to their opinions. However, assuming that some of us blindly follow such as McLemmings is in poor taste and in fact cheapens your remark. I would not do the same to you sir.
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- jr
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:21:08
Come to my office and discuss this. As a member of a council for near 20 yrs I thought it was against the law to be dicussing issues with council members behind closed doors without council knowing about it. i thought this had to be discussed a council meetings that were open too the rate payers.
Like you cant even have a special meeting without all council members present unless a waiver is signed by the missing councillors.
I wonder if McBain had a motion from council too have a press release or is he acting on his own or with a motion from a closed door council meeting with not all council members present.
I know after nearly 20 yrs on a council if I was on that council the next few meeting would be long ones because I would be explain all night how you cant just do what you want even if you were the mayor.
This likely explains why Chow wasnt there because him being a lawyer pulling this stunt , just being present without all council not invited could end his career. -
- JayJay
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:16:36
IF...this thing goes thru and our taxes take a double digit increase, anyone want to buy a house? Fixed income means fixed income.
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- brokeinmj
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:16:17
Crooked as usual, don't invite full council.
Democracy, not, this is Dictatorship and not only by the mayor and his clowns.
VOTE AGAINST THIS CROCK FEB. 25TH and show them Moose Jaw will not take the crap anymore. -
- H
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:16:11
What would happen?
Our bridges could be maintained, our roads would be repaired, we could probably swing another plow(if it is such a concern). We can do something with the nat which is a testament to Moose jaws sports facilities(trying not to laugh as I type).
Thats the problem with babyboomers you think you are saving the world but you have basiaclly screwed it beyond repair with your warped ideals.
Thanks for nothing sincerely -The young and future you are always rambling about. -
- Jim
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:13:35
... This is all getting completely blown out of proportion by I'm guessing 30-40 people who dead set against this thing. Guess what you are the people that have cause the city to drag its feet, the reason why no one has signed a lease to a building that may not be built. Take a look at the original artical. Dawn Luhning interupts a press confrence, hey who cares if the Mayer didnt invite her... I sure wouldnt have. City can afford this we are seeing the tax increases at the worst case senarios. If the city gets another 3.5MM from the province and another ? 3-4MM from the Feds + from the rumurs I'm hearing the fundraising commitee expects to break the 10MM target, also this is a very competive bidding situation the city is in. Steel, Lumber, Trades have all dropped in demand. We could very easily be saving 2-3MM on this alone. Vote YES, Imagine the new riverstreet development (with underground parking) the Multiplex, an expanded Casino ALL downtown. This could be one of those citys that win awards for its beauty.
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- YEEHAW
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:11:14
Thats just it Waren, these people always think they are right but NEVER win majority support...and won't again on the 25th!!! As for Luhning...she may be making alot of friends with the Cavers but the business community and majority see her for the grandstander she is. My guess is we won't see her at the Sports dinner this year!!!
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- lady
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:10:58
Keep it up Mcbain, and soon our Warriors won't need an arena...because of all this BS! Way to go Dawn!!!!! I look forward to you keeping our council meetings alive, and don't be afraid to raise your voice again!!!
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- JayJay
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:09:26
Dear Mr. McBain
I think you have promoted this project enough allready. How many Millions have you got into to date..?? -
- Reader
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:09:24
E writes: A yes vote means that all councillors must be onboard and put aside their previous no and I'm sure both Luhning and Swanson will do that.
The first part of your statement is absolutely right. When a council or board votes on something, the majority vote wins and ALL members should then be working to support that decision. The second part of your sentence is quite laughable. They have already proven they will not.
There have been votes - first by the Council, then by the people of MJ and then again by Council. Each was in favour. Councillors Swanson and Luhning have done nothing to support those votes. It is the two of them who are not fulfilling their responsibilities.
Too bad Council and City Administration can't get their act together enough to actually provide information (rather than opinions) on this project for those of us who aren't swayed by Swanson and Luhning's theatrics, but aren't completely sold on the Multiplex either. -
- Jeff
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:09:15
You're all missing the most important concern. What does Snewsie think about the multiplex?
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- Cory
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:07:13
Hey spiderman from nyc, i was pointing out at least we have support and fundraising and sponorship which cause you have a smallmind overlooked those parts of the comment. Even then i think the whl deadline for this joke you call a mutilplex is 2010 season i think so you really think bye voting out council you well get a new arena you are dreaming and in your fantasy land in nyc i want to hang out there to spidy it's time you came back to reality peter parker.
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- jim
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:07:13
It never ceases to amaze me the underhanded things our Mayor & his cronies pull. How can anyone think they are doing things properly. They do not represent Me or a huge part of Moose Jaw. VOTE NO Lets do this right next time.
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- moose jaw voice
- - September 18th, 2009 at 16:05:45
its nice to see the true colors of council are coming out before the feb 25th vote is complete!!!!
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- Did
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:58:41
If any of you against a downtown location ever looked into the fact that the City of MJ is the primary landlord of the property down there regardless who may currently hold the title? The buildings that businesses have walked away from in that location and could not sell to anyone interested in the land because the new owner would have to clean up before building new! The City of MJ will be stuck with the bill eventually if they want to develop that land for re-sale! You can pay it now........ or pay it later!
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- Marni
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:58:30
Thanks to Ms.Luhning for your display of temper and reinforcing the idea that women are not cut out for politics because we let our hormones run our life and decision making. We really needed that to be confirmed, for all to see. When we cannot promote our city and encourage people to get out and vote, it's a sad day for democracy. That's a new word for you I know but it would be nice if you took some instruction on anger management and a course on leadership versus following might be helpful also. What's next? Kick boxing in council chambers. Remember to sell tickets....we need the money to pay added cost your actions have added to the multiplex.
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- Bob D
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:58:30
Heard McBain on the radio - this is not a vote on location this is for the green light on the multiplex. Dale this all location - If you would pick a decent location this would be built be now. It is clowns like you holding this project up!
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- My decision is now made
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:58:07
I was in full support of this project and worked to promote it to friends and family. I am pleased to say that after another embarrasing mark on our community I am done with it....I will proudly VOTE NO on Feb. 25 and proudly NOT vote in ONE member of this present council come october.
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- Chad
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:57:24
Now I've seen everything!!! Of all the underhanded, lowblow things for this Mayor to do, I think even he should be embarassed about this performance. How dare he hold ANY sort of event without inviting all those that are pertinent to the event?? So, if I gather things correctly from this story, Mayor McBain would rather hold meetings with only those that support him, rather than holding impartial meetings where BOTH sides get to be told. I see. How this guy has not been tarred and feathered by now is beyond me!!!!
Hey Nick...maybe, just maybe, Dawn was alerted by one of the media, and had to drop things last minute to attend this so called press conference?? I mean, it's not like she was actually allowed to come apparently!
Good to see the true colours of this council/mayor coming out before the vote!! If you were on the fence or voting yes before, maybe it's time for you to seriously take a look at WHAT you're voting yes TO. And, to be perfectly blunt, if you have any questions that you feel are not being fairly reported by the Times Herald, then email or call the Mayor yourself, and see just what kind of answers you get back. Then, decide if you are still willing to support such a project. You may be surprised at the results!!! Chances are pretty good you will not get a response, or you will get the run around. Remember last election? The REAL numbers magically appeared AFTER the election!! Yet, thanks to some actual news coverage, it was revealed that the REAL numbers were known BEFORE the election. By chance, do you think the same is happening now? Do you want to risk Moose Jaw's future on that chance??
And, before you negative nellies out there comment on my speech, please think about what you are saying before you say it. Calling me names, or b*tching because I don't live in MJ anymore does nothing to support your side of the argument. For once, maybe it's time for you so called 'proplexers' to inform those that are undecided as to the ACTUAL benefits of voting yes? Other than 'it will bring business' or 'it will have economic spinoffs'. We've heard that before, and there are actual experts out there (documented before) who disagree with those theories. Tell us why a double digit tax increase is worth it. Or, tell us why doubling the cost of a Warrior's ticket is worth it. Or, name us some of the ACTUAL tenants of the new arena, that have signed a lease. Or, name us some acts that you expect to see in the Multiplex if it gets built. Realistic names please.
And...don't hide behind a pseudonym. I use my real name on here, I only ask for the same kind of treatment in return. -
- B
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:56:37
Typical BS from McBain and Co. These idiots need to grow up and come clean with the community. Tell the people the truth for once. The Fab 5 are on an uncontrollable power trip that will divide this city for many years to come. Anyone with an ounce of sense will vote NO, if for no other reason, than to end the corruption in city hall.
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- norm
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:54:34
Yup you people in Moose Jaw definitely have a problem there!
Its amazing how material things can come between people, in this case an entire city!
You folks are approaching a fork in the road, hopefully you take the right fork. As an outsider looking in one think stands out, I see one side taking a bigger gamble then the other.
If the NO side wins, individual dreams wont be realized until a future time, if at all.
If your YES side wins and all the premonitions of the NO side regarding the financial implications don`t come about, good for you, , but if they win and the NO side is right, well then I guess in reality everyone would loose!
None the less, this project appears to be coming at a much greater cost than the $ or tax value, , ,hopefully it is all worth it! -
- observer
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:53:44
So how did he go about promoting this Multiplex with the media, did he present some good sound facts with real numbers backing them up? Or did he continue with his same baseless hopes and dreams jargon. Leaving himself open to criticism by anyone with 2 cents of knowledge who was present and willing to confront him. That being the reason not to invite anyone opposed to this insane idea.
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- Denny
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:53:36
Looney is a disgrace to Moose Jaw and it brings shame to everyone from here. I am utterly disgusted to call myself a Moose Javian after her little temper tantrum antics displayed all over the news. Someone please tell the two deadbeats (looney, swineson) on council not to bother running this next election because they will be sorely embarrassed.
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- Cory
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:52:14
What a joke the city is face it the thing well never get built. You have no fund raising a price tag that changes like the stocks and still a council with a hidden agenda. At least in melville we have fund raising and sponorship thanks to CN donating 250000 dollars and that real money not like your spa. Maybe if you were smart you would contact CP rail after all they are on of Moose Jaws largest employers. Way to go moose jaw what a joke.
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- Truth or Consequences
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:46:27
It is an embarrassment to see this council violate the basic principals of our privileged democracy with misinformation and untruths regarding this whole painful multiplex deal. Firstly it is no longer can be called by definition a multiplex with it being split into two locations. What a mess of a project and to spend all this money for something that barely resembles a multiplex. It is a big joke, like everything else said by all the people who want to spend the money... they don't even know what they are buying anymore. I and many hundreds of voters will be voting No on that democratic day. It's no longer an issue of a new multiplex anymore, it's an issue of honor and truth, all which may get buried into the ground, if it is not lost already. Vote No so Moose Jaw can regain some dignity... if that is not already lost also.
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- Jerry
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:46:13
Councillor Luhnig would make a perfect guess for my show, she's great comedy!
Great point Another Dave , last time I checked council was voted in because of their stance on the Multiplex! The councilors that are still standing in there after all the ridicule and disrespectful names thrown at them to date........ I say thanks! Councillor Luhnig folded her tent up pretty quick! -
- H
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:46:02
Another Dave... were the city councellors Mary Dell Findly, Mcbain, Hendry, Shwinghammer, looking out for all members of our city when they approved a advanced polling station at Siast but none else where??
How do the Fab 5 look out for ALL members?? If it wasnt for Swanson and Luhning ALL members of the city would have no voice. -
- JB
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:45:24
Johnny from Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan writes: B..... Corruption? You think they are stealing money? They are bribing judges?
I suggest you look up the meaning of corruption in the dictionary and yes our city cancel falls right into it. 1. dishonesty for personal gain: dishonest exploitation of power for personal gain ... If the city council is all above board and no secrecy then why are they shelling out all the fluff and leaving out all the facts. Hopefully those with any common sense will look into the actual issues most antiplexers have about this project and not take McBains word for it. His little proplex speeches and ads don't mention anything about taxes, funding, who will run it, what operating costs will be. They sure don't mention that the government grants are a maybe and that the proposed fundraising if it falls through will land right back on the taxpayers. Before the multiplex issues I never really paid attention to council, for the first time in my life I'm going to vote...a big fat NO! -
- rayjay
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:42:26
The difference between the Girl Guides and the City of Moose Jaw is that the Guides have adult leadership! Luhning threw a temper tantrum that would match that of a five-year-old, who didn't get invited to the party. We did witness a breakthrough though, she went into her tantrum without prompting from her puppeteer, Swanson.
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- Sid
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:42:16
Why do the anti-multiplex people insist on going out of their way to make themselves and the rest of Moose Jaw look a bunch of idiots? Thanks a lot Luhning. When Larry Hunt was on the regina news a couple months back I felt like I should put a paper bag over my head when he came across like an incompetent boob.
We worked hard to turn around this city's image. And these Cavers are undoing all of it. -
- Waren
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:41:58
correction person not prtdon
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- JackMerlin
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:40:27
Another Dave from Moose Jaw, Sask writes:
-I don't know why everyone is complaining.
-the Mayor who really couldn't invite Luhning top the conference.
-Why invite someone who would not support your views.
Waren from Moose Jaw writes:
-Ok folks, has any one ever heard of the saying Majority rules well count the number of people on council now figure out the for and against.
-So I suggest you suck it up now and grow up!
Another dave from Moose Jaw, Sask writes: To DP:
-If the mayor does not have an official opposition then why do a couple of the members of this City council put themselves out there like they were the official opposition.
-I am wondering when a council member needs to understand why there are there.
-They are meant to serve all members of our City. Not to oppose everything that comes their way.
Hmm words of wisdom from the McLemmings lol lol -
- Another dave
- - September 18th, 2009 at 15:40:20
To DP: If the mayor does not have an official opposition then why do a couple of the members of this City council put themselves out there like they were the official opposition. When I served on a variety of committees I may not have supported all projects and motions 100% but, I was there to serve all folks of the organization, not just a select few who had contrary views. When the motions passed I rolled up my sleeves just like the rest of the committee members and worked to ensure the job got done.
I am wondering when a council member needs to understand why there are there. They are meant to serve all members of our City. Not to oppose everything that comes their way.
